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Friday, 1 August 2014

Enda Kenny's Seanad flip flop timeline

in response to this article Cynical Seanad abolition stunt must not be rewarded - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 17, 2013 Vincent Browne offers a time table so I did a timeline of Enda kennys moves on Seanad with more links.

Enda Kenny's Seanad flip flop timeline spreadsheet.

18 June 2008

All-Party Group on Seanad Reform

26/09/2008

Seanad Reform Options paper

March 2008

Alan Dukes to head new FG policy commission, includes Sean Faughnan

30 April 2009

Minutes of the Seanad Reform All-Party Group Meeting. 12.00 p.m.

"when seven months earlier the party had published a document advocating the reform of the Senate, not its abolition" VinB IT

April 2009? 29/04/2009
short response to seanad reform sub-committee yb all partys except FF.

On July 24th, 2009, Enda Kenny said at the MacGill summer school: “I see a new role for the Seanad entirely. The system of voting has got to be changed. Every graduate should be entitled to vote for the Seanad. I see real opportunities for connection with Europe. It should be the forum where MEPs can address the Seanad. It should be able to examine European legislation in a real scrutiny way. It should be a forum where delegations can come and make their case on national issues and the whole lot of it should be on a parliamentary (television) channel.”
Cynical Seanad abolition stunt must not be rewarded - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 17, 2013

August 2009th Fianna Fail seanad reform document?

FF under fire for failing to act on Seanad reform - Independent.ie 16/09/2013

they did submit one eventually, havn't found it yet.

Enda Kenny's mind is changed
Politics » Thirty Years Waiting for Seanad Reform

Cynical Seanad abolition stunt must not be rewarded - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 17, 2013 Vincent Browne.
In October 17th, 2009, at what is called the Fine Gael presidential dinner, Enda Kenny has this to say: “I believe the Seanad should be abolished and the next Fine Gael government will put this to the people. I have come to the conclusion that a second house of the Oireachtas can no longer be justified”.

Banker who changed Enda's mind on Seanad - Independent.ie John Drennan.
A second source said that Mr Faughnan again told a Party Manifesto Group meeting in February 2010 that abolishing the Seanad would be "popular with the voters".

March 2010 New Politics

Fine Gael’s New Politics reform proposals | The Irish Politics Forum
New Politics (pdf)

7th november 2010

Politics reform proposals Reinventing Government

2011

FG election manifesto in 2011

Banker who changed Enda's mind on Seanad - Independent.ie John Drennan, talks of internal policy meetings and the seanad abolition being popular with focus groups.

Fine Gael's New Politics the basis for the Seanad abolishment propsal?

Kenny urged to reveal 'secret report' behind Seanad U-turn Independent - 19/08/2013

Elaine Byrne2. Enda Kenny adopted the report. Regardless if you agree/disagree with the policy, it's the pejorative of a party leader to change his mind

Elaine Byrne3. The 'secret' report is the Fine Gael New Politics document 'published' in 2010 (not so secret then)
http://es.slideshare.net/OfficialFineGael/new-new-politics

Fine Gael: There’s no ‘secret report’ which convinced Taoiseach to abolish Seanad thejournal.ie - Aug2013.

Noel Whelan Really? 2 1/2 double spaced pages published 4+ months later was FG Seanad Flip Report


I counted last night Fine Gael's reasoning for Seanad aboltion... 25 lines Fine Gael:New Politics

Labour's was 21 + 250 lines background New Government better Government

If its Fine Gael's idea how is it that Labour has more reasoning, there must be more documentation but it was internal FG stuff and their focus group results, which they won't show.

It seems the Seanad Reform All-Party Group Met on the 30 April 2009, this was that their last ever meetings, Gormely was still promising reform but 3 months later during the summer Enda said lets abolish it.


Friday 4 October 2013. The referendum happens and is lost by the government the Seand is not abolished.

All Party Seanad Reform group documents
Referendum Commission Seanad and Court of Appeal Referenda Website

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