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Showing posts with label seanad. Show all posts
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Saturday, 14 September 2013

Senator Zappone's Seanad article source linked

Senator Katherine Zappone wrote this article for the SBP giving examples of contributions that Seantors made to law whether they were officially amendments passed by them or not. I have tried to find source links for every example Senator Zappone gives, and put them in spreadsheet and inserted them in a copy of the article below.



etc.

It should bother you that among this talk of Dail Reform that politicians are discounting Senators contributions to bills, think, they could say the same thing about the Dail TD's contribution, if all amendments to bills were 'government amendments' we can get rid of all opposition TDs, most TDs, no need for them.

This seemed to be the attitude of Fine Gael deputy referendum director Regina Doherty on Tonight with Vincent Browne this week when he challenged his guests about the strictness of the whip harming democracy and making the government unaccountable, she said that government TDs vote for laws drafted by government and as they had majority of TDs their votes always passed and the opposition always lost she didn't see a problem with this. So Regina what are opposition TDs for? Why are they in the Dail at all?

One presumes she excepts that if an opposition TD makes a good point or amendment that if the government agrees with politically it will be incorporated into the bill, by adoption of the amendments by government or through the whips allowing the majority to vote for the opposition amendment, this happens very rarely. But is this as far as it goes? Doherty pretended not to get that there needs to be an element of democracy within the Dail itself to hold the government to account, and that the backbench TDs shouldn't simply be lobby fodder.

Argue for Seanad abolition as hard as you want, it is archaic and elitist but by repeating this idea that Senators make no contribution to laws that the government passed, by discounting them completely you are also diminishing the contribution of TDs in the Dail, the house we'll be left with, and I presume you want their contributions to be acknowledged and be increased.


Sunday Business Post Opinion: Democracy’s the victim if Seanad is abolished

The Seanad is an important part of the law making process and a counterweight to the government.

In light of recent polls, optimism is rising that the unwarranted referendum on the abolition of the Seanad will fail next October.

I welcome this development. I strongly argue that the Seanad is in need of reform, but it is most definitely not in need of abolition. To abolish the institution without setting out how its functions are to be replaced is beyond folly -- it is simply dangerous to democracy in this state.

The costs argument presented by Minister for Enterprise Richard Bruton is an indefensible red herring. The real issue is about how power is exercised.

Checks and balances

Nearly 50 years ago, the Report of the Committee on the Constitution of 1967 [link?] stressed the importance of the Seanad in the context of the principle of checks and balances by saying how vital it is to "have a safeguard against ill-considered or hasty action on the part of the first house [the Dáil]" that can give "more comprehensive treatment" to "important technical matters" regarding legislation.

In the absence of meaningful reform of either the Dáil or local government, the necessity of upholding this principle is now more urgent in Ireland than it ever was.

One key function of the Seanad is to scrutinise independently-proposed legislation and bring the government of the day to account.

The strengthening of the party whip mechanism in recent years translates to a Dáil that does not so much represent constituents, but rather rubber stamps policy handed down from upon high by the Cabinet. As a result it is a Dáil where nuanced debate on key legislation and policy is stifled: it's either compliant or acrimonious and not much in-between.

In contrast, members of the Seanad have tabled 529 amendments to 14 Bills that have been passed over the past two years. Being credited for their particular amendments is generally not a priority of senators -- their focus is on strengthening the reach of the particular legislation. As a result, data that maps Seanad inputs that have been subsumed in legislation is lacking.

I know, for example, that the exemption from local property tax that children and youth organisations enjoy came about because of Senator Jillian van Turnhout's recommendations.[ Finance (Local Property Tax) (Amendment) Bill 2013, Noonan adopts amendment, Minister for Finance Michael Noonan credits Senator van Turnhout with the amendment even though all amendments were government amendments ] As a result of exchanges I had in the Seanad, three Finance Acts were amended (regarding equivalence in taxation law between spouses and civil partners).[ Finance bills 1, 2, 3 ] Likewise, as a direct result of the expert knowledge in the Seanad, the Education and Training Boards Bill 2012 ensures the inclusion of learner organisations' representatives on Education and Training Boards. [ Minister for Education Ruairi Quinn acknowledging Senators on focus on learner organisations ] I facilitated the access of civil society organisations to influence the Personal Insolvency Bill 2012 that resulted in the inclusion of minimum income guidelines for debtors in the legislation. [ Alan Shatter credits a number of government amendments to Senators ] [ The InsolvencyJournal.ie credits Senators with improvements to the PIB].

These, and many equivalent legislative inputs, are categorised as government amendments, thereby 'disappearing' the role of Seanad members. Ordinarily, this is not important, but now in the context of Seanad abolition on the rationale of its purported 'irrelevance' it is useful to help voters get a deeper sense of what business is actually done there.

Democratic deliberation

Besides scrutinising proposed legislation, another vital function of the Seanad is to initiate and explore issues of public interest and concern.

The Independent group of Taoiseach's nominees, to which I belong, put forward two motions on the issue of the future of prostitution legislation,[ 1, 2 ] as a result of which the issue was brought to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality.

A huge public consultation took place and a report was issued, with radical recommendations for changes in legislation, which are being laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas.

Senator Mary Ann O'Brien tabled a motion on the need to establish a Charities Regulator that was debated in the Seanad. [Charities Regulation: Motion] In mid-July of this year, the Minister for Justice and Equality [Alan Shatter] announced this would be created soon. Again, this is one of many examples of how deliberation on issues of policy and law is integral to the Seanad's work.

Generating ideas for law and policy

The Seanad has long been a site where new ideas for law and policy have been generated. There are many such examples: Senator Feargal Quinn's Construction Contracts Bill has now passed into law, and Senator Ivana Bacik introduced the Civil Registration (Amendment) Act [ a private members bill in 2011 that the Minister recognised led to the Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012 that was enacted] that allows humanists to officiate at marriages, while Senator Kelly's Wind Turbines Bill 2012 passed to Committee stage last year.

My own Legal Recognition of Gender Bill 2013 that offers a simple legal pathway to gender recognition can justifiably be seen to have triggered the unexpected publication of the long-awaited Heads of Bill on the same issue. The Minister for Justice will be seeking the opinion of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission regarding section 37 of the Equal Status Act, triggered by a Bill sponsored by Senator Power.

Exercising power

I think we need to have the capacity to ensure there are constraints on a sitting government in the form of checks and balances.

Should the government's abolition bid fail at the referendum, let that be a mandate for reform. The government has already accepted a bill for radical Seanad reform proposed by Senator Feargal Quinn and myself.

As an electorate, we can reject spurious argument and insist on expansion of our democratic capacity rather than endangering it.

In my opinion, on this particular issue, we need to exercise our power, and vote no on October 4.

Dr Katherine Zappone is an Independent Senator

Monday, 2 September 2013

Seanad Referendum Details

The government of Ireland has proposed abolishing the Seanad the upper house of the parliament, and referendum will be held on it on the 4th of October 2013.

Two issues have come up that I want to clearer details on.

Details of amendments the Seanad made to bills.

The anti-abolishment side keeps citing the number 529 amendments made to bills (or '523 amendments' or 'over 540 amendments') which they seem to have sourced from Senator Daragh O'Brien who was first to use this stat, as far as I know, on Wednesday, 26 June 2013 and a number of others senators who raised it in the Seanad. I emailed them last week to ask for the list and contacted everyone who used that stat to ask them to get the list behind the number but haven't been able to get anyone to get the list of amendments published.



Some criticised Regina Doherty for asking for this list in the Dail but the list already exists Senator Zappone has read it. Zappone: Wednesday, 17 July 2013



I note Senator Zappone says the list is incomplete but it would be a start and beneficial to all sides in the debate to publish it.

Update: Senator Zappone wrote an column for the Sunday Business Posts about the Seanad abolishment or reform, which she posted on her site. She emphases that they haven't been tracking the number of amendments and list is incomplete but she says she got the number from the Oireachtas Library & Research Service



Update 2 Amount of Amendments tabled by members of the Seanad on 14 Bills

I was hoping for an actual list of amendments, they must actually list every amendment when counting because how else are they sure they are not double counting.

so why was this information unavailable when Regina Doherty asked for it? She wasn't asking for exactly the same info but it was over lapping but she was told to PFO by a number of ministers and various people mocked her and told her she was wasting money, bizarre.

Katherine Zappone's Oireachtas Research sourced list is entitled 'Amendments Made By the Seanad' but then says 'members of the Seanad have tabled 529 amendments to 14 Bills' Democracy Matters then put up the list but says its amendments made.

I compared the two sources of info the Minsiterial replies and the Oireachtas Research list and the only Bill that both refer to is the Credit Union Bill 2012 which had 174 Government amendments at Committee Stage according to Minister for Finance Michael Noonan and 6 more at Report Stage. and the Oireachtas Research Lists 179 amendments in total, close enough.

Will money be saved or go to the committees.

Senator John Crown has raised the point several times that as opposed to the pro-referendum side assertion that abolishing the Seanad will save (a disputed amount of) money that this saving will not reduce the cost to the public of government administration or be used for some other worthy cause but be redeployed to the beef up the committee systems part in reviewing legislation, as proposed by the government.

He has said this over a year ago,



and last week,

he says he said it "in this Chamber in 2011, again on RTE and more recently in a private conversation with me" but he never provided a link to confirm it so I can point people to where Brendan Howlin said it, I emailed him to ask him if could provide links but have gotten no reply, I cannot find where he said it after hours of searching either in Seanad record or 'on the radio' on the 25th of June 2013, can you help me find it in the Seanad record, search via Kildarestreet.com or the Oireachtas record.

His first tweet about it was on the 25th of August so this was before the debate on the Houses of the Oireachtas Inquiries - 22 September 2011 which I had thought was the most likley time this topic would come up.

Although checking the Senator attendance record he is not listed as being present on the 22 of September but is listed for the 29th of June.

The other time Minister Brendan Howlin spoke in 2011 in the Seanad was the Second stage or the Committee Stage and Remaining Stages of the Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) Bill 2011.


I've used Kildarestreet.com to search for every time Brendan Howlin spoke in the Seanad in 2011, which was as far as I know 3 occasions and then listed them in spreadsheet

Update

Senator John Crown got back to me via @ItsMoss



Update

Senator Crown said in Seanad that Howlin said this on the radio on 25th June, I asked him about this and he said he thought it was RTE in the morning, I listened to Morning Ireland for the 25th of June where there was a brief clip from Brendan Howlin but he didn't mention the Seanad.

Found one
I used Topsy.com to search for @profjohncrown tweeting about Howlin on the 25th of June 2013.




Tweeting just after the six news this interview must be what he had heard and reacted to.

Brendan Howlin was on RTE 6.1 TV news on the 25th June news talking about the Anglo tapes and the need for a banking inquiry, at 3 minutes 50 seconds he mentions the Seanad abolition.
"...we need to provide the resources and part of the reform we want of public administration in this country and part of the recommendation to have a single chamber is to have the resources, the capacity and the ability of parliament to do the people's business."
Minister Brendan Howlin does seem to be suggesting that without a second a chamber those resources will be for the rest of parliament including the committees and the new form of inquires.

Still want to find the Seanad quote its probably somewhere in the record for the 3 times he spoke in the Seanad in 2011.

Having found one quote I'm using the phrases he used to search the Oireachtas record, I found Making Committees Work in the 31st Dail: Statements - March 2011 although its was said in the Dail, so maybe not the quote Senator John Crown was talking about.

Brendan Howlin: "This is the principle that underpins the Government's proposal to abolish the Seanad. It is not a knee-jerk reaction to the need for cost savings or demands for reform or smaller government. It is about strengthening democracy itself."

Minister Brendan Howlin mentions the Seanad and committees and resources during the Houses of the Oireachtas (Inquiries, Privileges and Procedures) Bill 2013
Brendan Howlin: "If we are to convince people to vote for the Seanad’s abolition... ...That means we must have better and stronger committee systems that are clearly resourced. As the Minister charged with resources"

Minister Brendan Howlin cites the position paper he co-wrote and published in January 2011 as part of their elections proposals New Government Better Government. New Government, Better Government as where he firmed his reasoning.

Update

Got an email from Senator John Crown's secretary with quotes of Howlin from two committees in 2011 and 2013,
Joint Committee on Investigations, Oversight and Petitions Debate - 15th December 2011 Video or Video
Brenadan Howlin: ...but if we were in a unicameral situation, resources might become available for empowering Dáil committees in a way that they are not currently available. I do not want to be facetious about it. I expect a proposition will be put to the people next year in relation to the abolition of the Seanad. In such circumstances, we will have to look at how the Dáil might work differently. I think the committees would have to be resourced in a much clearer way.

Wednesday Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform Debate - 5th June 2013 Video

As part of a reform agenda and if people determine we must have a unicameral system, there should be a much more robust Dáil system and a better resourced committee system


The Oireachtas video playback system is nightmare to use, it very hard to find the section of speech your looking for and I tried to embed the videos here, but it hard to get wmv to work the same on all browsers, it seem link to the same start times in video will somehow play different parts of the video.

Two simple things but I'm puzzled as to why they haven't been cleared up and its been like banging my head off a wall to get anybody to respond to these two very simple requests, so I thought I'd spell it out here to see if this got any response.

I follow up on this is a new blogpost

Sunday, 2 January 2011

Irish Government Legislation Exhibit

Irish Legislation Exhibit

Trying to put together something that shows the progress and types of Oireachtas Bills through the Irish parliamentary and see how many they have fulfilled from the Government Legislation Programme, an attempt at a less good IBM Many Bills. It shows details of bills progress through the Dail, Seanad and committees from the life for the government from 2007 to 2011. As always its ugly, heavy and there too much information on screen, but just trying to figure it out, I still love the faceted browsing on timelines made with Smilie Exhibit its allow you drill down through so many options and its so easy to make. It atleast gave me something to find out what other information I would need for a better version later.

My rough Calculations give these totals and averages
254 total bills
105 total enacted
0 total opp enacted

278 avg days everything
104 avg days to enact
149 avg opp bills life days
89 total opp bills

Im still trying to learn how bills are made so try these two guides
How legistation is enacted
How a Bill is made Video.

Bills
Collected details of the oireachtas bills here onto a Google Docs spreadsheet based on many already gathered by The Story

Panels with LEGISLATION • PARTIES • DEPARTMENT • COMMITTEE • DETAILS • ALL DATA

Stages
1st First Stage 1st Second Stage 1st Third (Committee) Stage 1st Fourth (Report) Stage 1st Fifth (Final) Stage 2nd First Stage 2nd Second Stage 2nd Third (Committee) Stage 2nd Fourth (Report) Stage 2nd Fifth (Final) Stage Enacted

Bills go through one house then the other.

Displaying progress of bills
Spent ages trying to get a percentage completed bar to show in Smilie Exhibit, I got Timeline percentage extension partly working then broke it, but in the end just used different colours but its hard to have enough spread in the colours. Obviously there problems with contrast and too much text on screen. I just wanted to create a filter every differentiation I could find.

Simile Gannt Timeline

latest start earliest end

Scraping
Had to scrape the info from the Oireachtas site.

Used a combination of the previously gathered info from the story, Google docs import html, laborious copy and paste and scraperwiki

Scraped the source code with the help of Alvin who made a ruby scraper and another with help from Julian Todd the creator of scraperwiki.
2010-statutory-instruments-ireland irish-legislation bii-p-url Need to make some auto updating running totals of the various stages which would be more useful for people and look better, using this scraperwiki example, but the Oireachtas sites is very changeable and not easy to pinpoint the stage it is at.

How a bill becomes law Some good examples of infographics to the explain the complicated process.
bill to law
how our laws are made

How A Bill Becomes Law

I'll have to make my own version of this, I started the very basic of it on a google doc drawing

Links
Oireachtas Bills
Dail Record
Kildarestreet.com Dail transcripts
Dail Sessions
30th Dail Wikipedia
Citizeninfo legislation

Wednesday, 29 September 2010

Irish Seanad, members of Ireland's senate information exhibited, mapped, charted, listed and editable.

Update 2015
Seanad Reform 2015

This screen shot shows how I have used Simile Exhibit Widget to display Ireland's 60 Senators, members of Ireland's Seanad, (upper house) information exhibited, mapped, charted, listed and editable. Using information I gathered on this google spreadsheet and used google maps to display the 8 panels the senators seat on.

Seanad Eireann is the upper house of the Oireachtas (Irish parliament). It has 60 Senators, 43 are nominated on to 5 panels by professioanl bodies,having special knowledge of particular vocation, Administrative, Agricultural, Cultural and Educational, Industrial and Commercial, Labour and voted on by members of councils, the Dail and the previous Seanad elections, must be held within 90 days of the dissolution of the Dail. 11 are nominated by the Taoiseach, 6 are voted on by university graduates.
Its roles is to initiate, advise and revise legislation, senators also participate in Oireachtas committees.

Administrative Panel7
Agricultural Panel11
Cultural and Educational Panel5
Industrial and Commercial Panel9
Labour Panel11
Taoiseach11
University6

I hope the shape and the interactivity of the exhibit may help to explain the Seanad and its make up better to people.

I have made panels showing

PANELS • SENATORS • PERCENT VOTE • ELECTIONS • SENATORS DETAILS • NOMINATED BY • NOMINATING BODIES • POSITION • COMMITTEE • CONTACT • PANELS
which you can combine with the sliders
Terms - Age - Percent Vote - Gender

can you think of any more ways to display the data?

I have listed which professional organisation of member of the Dail or Seanad has nominated, which senator to which panel, and percentage vote they got from TDs, Senators and Councillors.

I have listed the nominating bodies, their websites, member numbers, their sub-associations and who they nominated to which panel.

Still to do
There are some mistakes on this, I have to review the Seanad byelections since 2007, can't find details of them and the oireachtas.ie won't respond and details of new senators, office locations, I added salary expenses, and should add donations, distance from Dail.

Questions
Is it just the boards of the nominating bodies who nominate?

Salary and Expenses Not sure best way to shows salary and expenses the figures I have from The Story FOI's, go year to year, including senators who were just elected, I tried to reflect that in my calculations

Corrections, for instance do you know where the town the senators operates from or his office?, go to maps.google.com centre over it then take the latitude and longitude from the link, double check by pasting those coordinates back into the google maps search and then change in the TD spreadsheet and leave a comment on the cell too.

This is follow up to my previous Dail TD exhibit

MIT Exhibit
Made with Exhibit from MIT which...

Exhibit enables you to create html pages with dynamic exhibits of data collections without resorting to complex database and server-side technologies. The collections can be searched and browsed using faceted browsing. Assorted views are provided including Timelines, tiles, maps, charts and more.

I have been very impressed with MIT exhibit, there is a whole suite of systems for displaying large amounts of data simply and lightly. Though its a fair few years old and isn't being updated any more I wasn't sure whether it was worth pursuing and using to create my Irish Politics displays but I haven't seem anything as impressive and easy to adapt for a copy and paste coder like me. Looking around for visualisations, faceted search (which is usually associated with semantic web) and mapping systems. Some directions and files to help run it off your own server.

You can use exhibit with in a semantic mediawiki install, or simpler table wibbit version. You can embed exhibit and timelines in wordpress using Datapress or Drupal once you converted some data to static json file. .json file example with Babel.

The best part of Exhibit is using faceted sidebar menus to display lots of categories of data and combinations of data. And being able to call that from google spreadsheets which you can leave open for editing and correction.

You can pick out any element or facet of the info from the list on the left, click on map or sliders, deselect it by un-checking on the sidebar list or use your browser's back button. You click on any icon to get an info bubble on that TD. You can zoom into the map by clicking on the constituencies map on the right or turn off the constituency polygons below, you can click any of the panels at the top to show, charts and voting maps, look at list of information on the TDs or see all the data on them.

I modified the Presidents Births and Death example of which you can see it's simple JSON file. You can use MIT's Babel to convert your data to JSON or XML (create live XML with editgrid.com) or any exhibit friendly form.

I rearranged my information into this google doc file with {labels} so that the Exhibit script can read it as JSON. How to make an exhibit from data fed directly from a Google Spreadsheet You copy code from the examples and Exhibit wiki and add panels that are coded like this

ex:role="exhibit-view"   id="map1"  ex:collectionID="bothcollection2"  
   ex:viewClass="Exhibit.MapView"
   ex:label="Irish TDs"
   ex:eventlabel=".td"
   ex:size="large"
   ex:zoom="7"
   ex:mapHeight="600"
   ex:center="53.45,-8.0"
   ex:overviewControl="true"
   ex:showSummary="true"
   ex:latlng=".latlng"
   ex:polygon=".constpoly"
   ex:pin="false"
   ex:borderOpacity="1.0"
   ex:borderWidth="1"
   ex:borderColor="purple"
   ex:opacity="0.0"
   ex:showToolbox="false"
   ex:icon=".imageURL"
    
   
...calling the named columns from the google spreadsheets.

Description of how I made the government travel exhibit.

Because senators don't have constituencies, I have arranged them into the 8 panels, Administrative, Agricultural, Cultural & Educational, Industrial & Commercial, Labour, National University of Ireland, Taoiseach and University of Dublin, arranged somewhat how they would be seated in the Seanad, usually voting with the government or the opposition.

Info
Oireachtas Senators
Seanad Eireann on Wikipedia
Committee
Members of the 23rd Seanad
List of senators at oir.ie
How Seanad is elected
Report on Seanad Reform
seandcount.ie internet archive
Seanad at Citizen Info
electionsireland.org Results
2007 Candidates
Register of Nominating Bodies 2009
Register of Nominating Bodies 2007
Seanad Electoral Roll pdf
List Nominating Bodies

Information

Timelines
I've created a time line of when the currents Senators were first elected. The time line extension is part of its own Simile timeline system which can get more info on how to use on its wiki. Although its not easy to show the times Senators didn't get elected and then returned a following election. (to stop and start the timeline on the same line with the same person). So for the moment it does not show that and goes straight first election to most recent.

Collections and Types
I have multiple collections in this exhibit to call the types and collections 60 senators in one spreadsheet and nominating and associated info in another spreadsheet. Thankfully David Huynh provided the code to call from one the other or both collections in the mailing list. I'm not sure if can write code to add a third one (partys).

The Data
I have split the senator google spreadsheet into different sheets, bio,time,websites,locations,positions,panellatlng,elections,nombods,nom2007 that are read by the main senator sheet,you edit the the subpages and they will be renewed by the main page, do not re-sort them.

Information categories most of which you can select in any combination.

facetcategorysource
labelname
typetype
partyparty
panelpanel
longaddresslong address
addressaddress,town
areaarea
countycounty
senatorsenator
latlat
lnglng
latlngtown coordinates
senconstituencywho votes for them,td councillors,senators
descriptiondescription
positionposition
spokespersonissuesspokesperson issues
committeecommittee
tdcllrtdcllr
nicestartdatenicestartdate
startstart
endend
dailtermdailterm
termsterms
oirtermsoirterms
ageage
positionposition
knowlpractexpknowlegde practical experience
nominatedbynominated by
subpanelsubpanel
electorateelectorate
firstpreffirstpref
electorateelectorate
seatsseats
candidatescandidates
quotaquota
percentvotepercent vote
govoppgovopp
voteswithvoteswith
phonephone
emailemail
govoppgovopp
voteswithvotes with
panellatlngfront map panel
gendergender
imageURLimageURL
wikiurlwikiurl
websitewebsite
partywebsitepartywebsite
ksurlkildarestreet seanad speeches
partycolpartycol
nombod1nombod1
nomurl1nomurl1
nombod1nombod1
nomurl2nomurl2
nombod3nombod3
commentcomment

Nominating Bodies







label source
nominated
type
nominatingbody
nomurl
panel <
subpanel
nombodmembers
nombodassoc
nombodassocurl
irishnames